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Microcontroller + Verilog/VHDL simulator?

Asked 2008-12-17T19:23:59.277
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Over the years I've worked on a number of microcontroller-based projects; mostly with Microchip's PICs. I've used various microcontroller simulators, and while they can be very helpful at times, I often find myself frustrated. In real life microcontrollers never exist alone and the firmware's behavior is dependent on the environment. However, none of the sims I've used provide decent support for anything outside the microcontroller.

My first thought was to model the entire board in Verilog. But, I'd rather not create an entire CPU model, and I haven't had much luck finding existing models for the chips I use. Regardless, I really don't need, or want, to simulate the proc at that level of detail, and I'd like to retain the debugging facilities provided by a regular processor sim.

It seems to me that the ideal solution would be a hybrid simulator that interfaces a traditional processor simulator with a Verilog model.

Does such a thing exist?

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For the "simulate the whole board" approach, The Free Model Foundry has a large number of models, some in VHDL others in Verilog, that are available now.. but you'll need to pay to have new models created. These are very helpful in being sure the board is built correctly.

But I think the more common approach when debugging your PIC is to just build a board, then work on the firmware. In the chip world, (where the firmware is running on a microprocessor in a chip that hasn't gone to fab yet) people often resort to very expensive systems (or renting time on them) that allow compiling part of the design into an emulator while the rest of the design runs in the normal simulator environment. Without the barrier of an expensive mask set for the chip, the cost is just not justifiable for a Circuit board. Although I've heard of some creative applications of Simulink (Mathworks) with FPGA's, but my recollection is that one either ran the system on the computer, or programmed the device and ran the same thing in realtime.

I believe both Cadence (ask about Palladium) and Mentor Graphics have that integrated solution if you have the money to spend on it.

answered 2008-12-29T12:31:50.763
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What I have done recently is create an interface between the simulation environment and host system. Different hdl simulators have different interfaces, and getting the simulator NOT think in batch mode, the traditional simulation model, instead run for ever like a real design is half of the problem.

Then from the host using C (or whatever) you can create abstractions that may or may not allow you to write your application software for whatever target (depending on what language and compiler capabilities you have). For example you can make a generic poke and peek function and on the final target have those actually poke and peek memory or I/O, but for simulation through the abstraction you talk to a testbench in the simulation that simulates the same memory cycle.

I went one step further and used (Berkeley) sockets between the host and test bench so that the simulation can keep running while the host applications stop and start. Not unlike having a real processor with an OS that you are starting applications and running them to completion and starting another. At least for test applications, for delivery you probably only have one app.

By creating these abstraction layers I can write real applications that will be used on the target when it is built. Along the way you can use software simulation of the logic initially, then if you like build an fpga with an abstraction interface (throw away logic) say a uart for example. Replace the shim between the applications abstraction layer and the simulator with a uart interface, or whatever. Then when you marry the processor and logic in the same chip or on the same board, replace the abstraction layer again with direct calls to whatever interfaces they have always though they were talking to. If something breaks and you have retained the abstraction layer you can take the application back to the simulation model and have access to all of your logic internals.

Specifically this time

answered 2009-01-16T22:01:44.933

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